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Post by ealingdrop on Mar 17, 2019 21:01:53 GMT 10
Has anyone seen this Norwegian system? Appears to have been around for 2 years. Looks pretty solid, packed with tri clamps and controlled via a massive coloured screen. The kettle bottom is conical which Id imagine makes cleaning very easy. That element looks like a bastard to clean though. Mash recirculation is a sort of hybrid between a BM and a Grainfather, where wort is pumped up through the bottom mesh then into a fly sparge. Interesting to see a system that's bucking the trend and gone for build quality instead. www.brewtools.no/en/Attachments:
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Post by djl3thal on Mar 17, 2019 21:35:24 GMT 10
Looks well built, but that wort return seems violent and splashing a lot. Also wtf is he brewing a st Patrick’s day beer? Looks like green sludge 😂
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Post by Jack-of-all-biers on Mar 17, 2019 22:42:25 GMT 10
Not bad. 80L system with 58L malt pipe, speed controlled pump and 2 x 3000W elements for $3660 AUD. Of course shipping and some minor electrical cord conversion would add to that, but on the face of it looks like a quality unit. Some stiff competition for smaller units in a similar price range (looking at the BM).
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Post by ealingdrop on Mar 18, 2019 7:50:48 GMT 10
Has the ability to chill and whirlpool Attachments:
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Post by maltjunkie on Mar 18, 2019 11:25:52 GMT 10
The really nice thing with this is the simple hook up for fly sparge. Nice well thought out bit of kit. Certainly something those in the market for a BM should consider. Note using two 15amp connections on one appliance would mean it won't get electrical approvals here, so don't expect them to turn up in any of the local brew shops.
I'd love to have a play with one of these.
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Post by Farsideofcrazy on Jul 30, 2019 12:19:06 GMT 10
Looks like the pricing is up on newera brewing. $2.5k for the 40 litre and$3.3k for the 80 litre. It's the accessory pack that me choke, $1059  I've been waiting for the price for this gear since I saw it, looks like I'll be waiting for a very long time to get something like this system. |
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Post by ealingdrop on Jul 30, 2019 19:05:00 GMT 10
Saw that too.
Although even with the ridiculously expensive lid, still cheaper than the Braumeister 20L plus (G&G for $3k).
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Post by maltjunkie on Jul 30, 2019 22:01:27 GMT 10
For me I'd rate this above the BM, sanitary fittings and ease of cleaning to a commercial standard make this a standout . I do get the steep admission price has some take a breath but this is what quality buy once cry once is all about. The risk of errant infection is almost zero. The accessory kit is all quality SS none of that is ever cheap. No it ain't bargain, but it does have it's place, and the control systems next level to other offerings.
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Post by Farsideofcrazy on Jul 31, 2019 8:03:37 GMT 10
For me I'd rate this above the BM, sanitary fittings and ease of cleaning to a commercial standard make this a standout . I do get the steep admission price has some take a breath but this is what quality buy once cry once is all about. The risk of errant infection is almost zero. The accessory kit is all quality SS none of that is ever cheap. No it ain't bargain, but it does have it's place, and the control systems next level to other offerings. Agree with this 100%. If I were starting out, and could afford it, this is what I'd buy. Start with the basic setup and then get some add-ons. |
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Post by rogerh on Jul 31, 2019 10:33:55 GMT 10
...Note using two 15amp connections on one appliance would mean it won't get electrical approvals here... I note that the power consumption can be set to different levels, so if it were to pose a regulatory hurdle for Australian sales, I'm guessing the manufacturer could pre-set the allowable power consumption in the software/firmware? |
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Post by frodaddy on Jul 31, 2019 10:49:27 GMT 10
Is it two power chords per appliance is not allowed?
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Is it two power chords per element is not allowed? (pretty sure this will be a no no)
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Post by maltjunkie on Jul 31, 2019 10:57:09 GMT 10
Is it two power chords per appliance is not allowed? Or Is it two power chords per element is not allowed? (pretty sure this will be a no no) I'd think both I know the later certainly is, but I haven't delved too deeply as to the compliance's/approvals the system has here in Australia, I do know the process of getting them isn't exactly cheap or quick. |
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Post by manticle on Jul 31, 2019 12:54:11 GMT 10
Neither.
It's power cords.
Anyone seen the box I should get back into?
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Post by Farsideofcrazy on Jul 31, 2019 17:41:55 GMT 10
I can't find any info about the 34mm tri clover fittings used on this system. Are they compatible with 1.5in fittings? Or is this a proprietary size that brewtools use?
It would be a bugger if they aren't compatible.
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Post by maltjunkie on Jul 31, 2019 18:10:52 GMT 10
TC sizings are a confusing and frustrating thing the size actually refers to the maximum size pipe that can be affixed to the flange face. I dare say these are the standard 1 1/2 we see across the HB community. Check with New era brewing to confirm.
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Post by meddo on Aug 1, 2019 9:56:31 GMT 10
No they aren't compatible. They're a really awkward inbetween size, between 3/4" pipe (25mm flange) and 1.5" pipe (51mm flange) as the common sizes. They do have an adaptor to 1.5" though which is by far the most common size used in homebrewing.
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Post by tony121 on Feb 10, 2020 17:14:34 GMT 10
My original plan was to build a 4V herms but have come to the realisation that space at present is a premium. Until I have a place where I can plant some olive trees then build a dedicated clean room for them that will need to be repurposed  , a 1V system is looking more likely the way to go. I've been looking into the B80, man it looks like a sweet bit of kit, though cost is a bit of a hurdle. Couple of questions if anyone can answer; 1. Is there any reason you couldn't underlet the grain at room temperature then ramp to mash temps? 2. Still not sure about the power situation on the B80, conflicting info shows 1 or 2 power supplies. Can anyone confirm? Ultimately power is not an issue as elec box backs onto brew hold and sparky mate will work for beer, just curious. 3. Not quite sure about the steam hat. Even with an extraction fan, would you still get condensation running back into the wort? Any advice is appreciated. Cheers, Tony |
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Post by rogerh on Feb 10, 2020 17:23:10 GMT 10
Until I have a place where I can plant some olive trees then build a dedicated clean room for them that will need to be repurposed Tony, don't do it! For sure, build the shed, but forget about the olive trees.  |
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Post by maltjunkie on Feb 10, 2020 17:58:07 GMT 10
My original plan was to build a 4V herms but have come to the realisation that space at present is a premium. Until I have a place where I can plant some olive trees then build a dedicated clean room for them that will need to be repurposed , a 1V system is looking more likely the way to go. I've been looking into the B80, man it looks like a sweet bit of kit, though cost is a bit of a hurdle. Couple of questions if anyone can answer; 1. Is there any reason you couldn't underlet the grain at room temperature then ramp to mash temps? 2. Still not sure about the power situation on the B80, conflicting info shows 1 or 2 power supplies. Can anyone confirm? Ultimately power is not an issue as elec box backs onto brew hold and sparky mate will work for beer, just curious. 3. Not quite sure about the steam hat. Even with an extraction fan, would you still get condensation running back into the wort? Any advice is appreciated. Cheers, Tony 1. No reason you can't underlet 2. The unit uses two 15 amp circuits 3. The steam hat has a (slightly expensive) condenser available with the return liquid to the floor/drain/bucket Check this guys videos out he covers most of want or need to know: link
Also have a chat to the boss at Newera he's easy to talk to and knows his gear. |
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Post by tony121 on Feb 10, 2020 19:15:09 GMT 10
Until I have a place where I can plant some olive trees then build a dedicated clean room for them that will need to be repurposed Tony, don't do it! For sure, build the shed, but forget about the olive trees. Learnt from you, just trying to get a purpose built shed past the minister for war & finance |
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Post by tony121 on Feb 10, 2020 19:20:27 GMT 10
My original plan was to build a 4V herms but have come to the realisation that space at present is a premium. Until I have a place where I can plant some olive trees then build a dedicated clean room for them that will need to be repurposed , a 1V system is looking more likely the way to go. I've been looking into the B80, man it looks like a sweet bit of kit, though cost is a bit of a hurdle. Couple of questions if anyone can answer; 1. Is there any reason you couldn't underlet the grain at room temperature then ramp to mash temps? 2. Still not sure about the power situation on the B80, conflicting info shows 1 or 2 power supplies. Can anyone confirm? Ultimately power is not an issue as elec box backs onto brew hold and sparky mate will work for beer, just curious. 3. Not quite sure about the steam hat. Even with an extraction fan, would you still get condensation running back into the wort? Any advice is appreciated. Cheers, Tony 1. No reason you can't underlet 2. The unit uses two 15 amp circuits 3. The steam hat has a (slightly expensive) condenser available with the return liquid to the floor/drain/bucket Check this guys videos out he covers most of want or need to know: link
Also have a chat to the boss at Newera he's easy to talk to and knows his gear. Thanks MJ, appreciated. Have been watching his vids (plus others) and gleaned most things, was just a couple of things that weren’t quite clear. Still not sold on the steam hat/condenser, particularly in this country. |
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Post by Jack-of-all-biers on Feb 10, 2020 20:19:25 GMT 10
Also a pretty good review by David Heath. Thorough (and dry) (EDIT - and weird - wedding dress!) as he tends to be.
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Post by djl3thal on Feb 10, 2020 21:39:31 GMT 10
Nice, drooling, although with the talk of hot side aeration that mash cap seems like the one bad design element? Easily modified/sorted though, but kinda like taking off the rims of a brand new Porsche and replacing them with aftermarket.
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Post by tony121 on Feb 10, 2020 22:09:32 GMT 10
Nice, drooling, although with the talk of hot side aeration that mash cap seems like the one bad design element? Easily modified/sorted though, but kinda like taking off the rims of a brand new Porsche and replacing them with aftermarket. Have to agree there, would need to be modified but for the cost it shouldn’t have to be. Otherwise looks very well designed & built. |
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Post by maltjunkie on Feb 10, 2020 23:19:21 GMT 10
Nice, drooling, although with the talk of hot side aeration that mash cap seems like the one bad design element? Easily modified/sorted though, but kinda like taking off the rims of a brand new Porsche and replacing them with aftermarket. Have to agree there, would need to be modified but for the cost it shouldn’t have to be. Otherwise looks very well designed & built. The old HSA chestnut.... hmm well, unless your using LODO techniques and gear I dare say you'd be hard pressed to pick the difference with this over any other recirculating system. And they are continually working on tweaking the system so an LODO kit maywell be in the pipeline. |
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Post by Batz on Feb 11, 2020 7:12:20 GMT 10
Looks nice but personally I would stick with the BM, no modifications required. More importantly a local retailer who is able to deal with any problems, parts required etc.
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Post by maltjunkie on Feb 11, 2020 7:56:14 GMT 10
Looks nice but personally I would stick with the BM, no modifications required. More importantly a local retailer who is able to deal with any problems, parts required etc. I think you'll find this available through any retailer selling SS brewtech gear, NewEra are the wholesaler/importer. The BM in standard form has wort free fall down the side of the malt pipe creating turbulence at the bottom and have only just released their LODO kit. And nearly everything is a sanitary fitting on this kit, it is also CIP. If I had a BM I probably wouldn't be switching it out for this, but this relatively new kid on the block ticks a whole lot of boxes for someone after premium kit. |
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Post by djl3thal on Feb 11, 2020 8:23:20 GMT 10
The CIP feature is not a true CIP, noting that mash cap spray doesn’t touch all of the sides on the pot!
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Post by meddo on Feb 11, 2020 9:25:38 GMT 10
Really nice bit of kit, and for a plug-and-play unit probably the pick of them. There's a few design decisions that I would have made differently if I had the job and access to custom machined parts, but I don't. But from memory (last time I looked in detail was six months ago) those things are around the valves (ball valves, yuck), tri clamp sizing (not strictly proprietry but uncommon as hell), the recirc hat, and the minimum batch sizes which is dependent on geometry. I would also have preferred some type of concealed element but there may be engineering reasons why that wouldn't work.
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, a 1V system is looking more likely the way to go. I've been looking into the B80, man it looks like a sweet bit of kit, though cost is a bit of a hurdle. Couple of questions if anyone can answer;
