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Post by MTB on Jun 7, 2018 16:52:09 GMT 10
Wait did I miss something here? Isn't the subscription only to cloud space? Like you purchase and get 15 recipes space on the cloud which lets you share or transfer recipes, but you can subscribe and get more space. Is it changing from the current setup? The one-off purchase still allows you to store 15 recipes in the cloud, it appears nothing much else has changed in their subscription model except maybe that Basic Memberships don't entitle users to major updates. |
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Post by Benn on Jun 8, 2018 2:35:07 GMT 10
There’s no feature that BeerSmith could ever include that would prevent my Mum from dropping in right at the beginning of the boil.
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Post by goodbrew on Jun 8, 2018 18:01:10 GMT 10
This got me to finally upgrade from the original BS1, never seen BS2 so looking forward to what changes have been made.
Been using BS1 for around 9 years now, best $20 spent. Dont mind paying for a good product, so I shelled out for the gold edition.
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Post by nosco on Jun 8, 2018 18:59:39 GMT 10
I guess the thing that gets me is what is a major update and a minor update. If you want to subscribe to the cloud and what ever then fair enough but I dont see how you should be excluded from updates when you have paid for the software.
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Post by earle on Jun 8, 2018 19:05:54 GMT 10
I think a minor update is like 2.1 to 2.2, a major would be 2.x to 3.x
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Post by nosco on Jun 8, 2018 19:12:33 GMT 10
I think thats where i got stumped. Its maybe poorly worded or maybe im mot as tech savy as I though I used to be. Im happy to pay from v3 to v4 for eg.
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Post by DCB on Jun 8, 2018 20:15:51 GMT 10
Any update to my program/software. Is what I put into it!
Own your product. Rather than your product own you.
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Post by nosco on Jun 8, 2018 20:51:43 GMT 10
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Post by TidalPete on Jun 8, 2018 20:59:37 GMT 10
There’s no feature that BeerSmith could ever include that would prevent my Mum from dropping in right at the beginning of the boil. Ditto! There's no feature that BeerSmith could ever include that would prevent my missus wanting the kitchen when I'm right in the middle of yeast farming\sachet splitting.  |
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Post by Stouter on Jun 8, 2018 21:11:13 GMT 10
 Bloody do-dads and thingamajigys, all invented by what’shisface and not worth a cold pint of pelican’s piss. After much umming and urring I got beersmith2 on the ipadthingamabob and find it easy to use. I’ll keep using it until I learn more refined brewing methods which other versions might present. It’ll take me another couple of years to decide if Beersmith 3 meets my complex needs  . Previousy I used Brewersfriend which was ok but I found the selecting of ingredients gave me RSI of the scrolling finger, and it was also harder to match equivalent ingredients not listed. I do keep meaning to return to Biabacus, but want to give it the attention and effort I feel it deserves. As some others have mentioned, I’m also going to return to pen and paper as a supplement to my records. I’d like some day for my kids to stumble across my old brewing diary/records and say, “yep, I remember the day he made that brew, that’s the one Dad won....”, or “yep, he said that was a shocker, and looking at that I can see why. WTF was he thinking adding that much...”.
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Post by davidm on Jun 9, 2018 16:41:16 GMT 10
Bloody do-dads and thingamajigys, all invented by what’shisface and not worth a cold pint of pelican’s piss. After much umming and urring I got beersmith2 on the ipadthingamabob and find it easy to use. I’ll keep using it until I learn more refined brewing methods which other versions might present. It’ll take me another couple of years to decide if Beersmith 3 meets my complex needs . Previousy I used Brewersfriend which was ok but I found the selecting of ingredients gave me RSI of the scrolling finger, and it was also harder to match equivalent ingredients not listed. I do keep meaning to return to Biabacus, but want to give it the attention and effort I feel it deserves. As some others have mentioned, I’m also going to return to pen and paper as a supplement to my records. I’d like some day for my kids to stumble across my old brewing diary/records and say, “yep, I remember the day he made that brew, that’s the one Dad won....”, or “yep, he said that was a shocker, and looking at that I can see why. WTF was he thinking adding that much...”. Or if you ever hit it big, you can release it like Brew Dog |
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Post by TidalPete on Jun 9, 2018 18:18:14 GMT 10
Have bitten the bullet & pre-ordered BeerSmith 3 Gold. Looking forward to seeing if BeerSmith’s improved Water Profile & Mash pH Adjustment Tool will persuade me to depart from EZ Water Calculator which has been my go-to water adjustment tool for many years. NOT looking forward to shelling out every 12 months to keep my version of BeerSmith 3 running. Once-off payments for software these days are increasingly a thing of the past. Will be keeping my copy of BeerSmith V 2.3 stashed away just in case of disappointment. GREED IS GOOD! GREED IS GOOD! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!  |
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Post by nosco on Jun 17, 2018 9:02:15 GMT 10
I downloaded it last night. Seems pretty much the same except for the water additions part which looks pretty good. Just using it now for a brew today.
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Post by tony121 on Jun 17, 2018 9:43:13 GMT 10
I downloaded it last night. Seems pretty much the same except for the water additions part which looks pretty good. Just using it now for a brew today. Some feedback would be great please. Not yet sold on upgrading from BS2 at this stage. |
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Post by earle on Jun 17, 2018 10:38:47 GMT 10
Im sold on the water calc so far. Its easy to set up and one of the add ons is for beer types which I use in Brun Water instead of using famous city water. Acid additions can be added in the mash section. Loads better than the old one. Not sure for more advance brewers than me who want to add acid after the mash. So it adjusts for your malt bill and volume? BS2 didn't seem to do this, just had water profiles but didn't seem to adjust for specific recipe. |
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Post by nosco on Jun 17, 2018 11:13:23 GMT 10
I hope so Its all in and mashing now. Edit: It seems to adjust for the recipe. I deleted all the water additions and changed the base malt form 5kg to 3 and added them back which gave different amounts. I did the same changing it back to 5kg and it gave the same amounts as before. |
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Post by nosco on Jun 17, 2018 12:09:41 GMT 10
Theres tutorial vids on Youtube that confirm this. I should have checked the dont use chalk button and there is an option to add sparge additions in the boil.
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Post by indica on Jun 20, 2018 10:04:24 GMT 10
I like the water tool. Feels like Brun but does the work for you.
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Post by MTB on Jun 20, 2018 10:18:22 GMT 10
It seems to add mash and sparge salts, and there's a mash acid addition section in the Mash tab, but what about sparge acidification? The Mash tab shows me the estimated mash pH but removing sparge salts in the Water tab doesn't change that. Bru'n Water always splits any acid addition between mash & sparge so wondering how BS handles that.
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Post by niceguys on Jun 20, 2018 13:44:09 GMT 10
To me BS3 is just an incremental improvement over BS2 with a cleaned up interface and a little less repetition in the fields. Finally salts, acid malts and acids included in the recipe tab are used to adjust mash pH. Hardly ground-breaking stuff:this should have been enabled in BS2 when mash pH was introduced. However some frustration, if I put my water in the Recipe tab and then go to the Water tab my adjusted water profile is incorrect and mash pH estimate does not work, because the water has not been included. I have to go to the mash tab and enter my water addition there also. These are the double ups that annoy the crap out me.
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Post by nosco on Jun 20, 2018 13:49:19 GMT 10
I think i put my local water profile at the top of the water tab and after adding salts it added the water and the salts to my recipe. Im not %100 sure though.
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Post by earle on Jun 20, 2018 14:11:01 GMT 10
To me BS3 is just an incremental improvement over BS2 with a cleaned up interface and a little less repetition in the fields. Finally salts, acid malts and acids included in the recipe tab are used to adjust mash pH. Hardly ground-breaking stuff:this should have been enabled in BS2 when mash pH was introduced. However some frustration, if I put my water in the Recipe tab and then go to the Water tab my adjusted water profile is incorrect and mash pH estimate does not work, because the water has not been included. I have to go to the mash tab and enter my water addition there also. These are the double ups that annoy the crap out me. Hmmm, might do the free trial before I decide about the "upgrade". The water adjustments would be the main selling point for me. Also handy to have juices etc pre loaded. |
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Post by MTB on Jun 20, 2018 15:35:11 GMT 10
To me BS3 is just an incremental improvement over BS2 with a cleaned up interface and a little less repetition in the fields. Finally salts, acid malts and acids included in the recipe tab are used to adjust mash pH. Hardly ground-breaking stuff:this should have been enabled in BS2 when mash pH was introduced. However some frustration, if I put my water in the Recipe tab and then go to the Water tab my adjusted water profile is incorrect and mash pH estimate does not work, because the water has not been included. I have to go to the mash tab and enter my water addition there also. These are the double ups that annoy the crap out me. I don't have this problem if entering water/salts into the Water tab. It populates automatically into the Recipe tab. |
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Post by niceguys on Jun 20, 2018 15:40:53 GMT 10
To me BS3 is just an incremental improvement over BS2 with a cleaned up interface and a little less repetition in the fields. Finally salts, acid malts and acids included in the recipe tab are used to adjust mash pH. Hardly ground-breaking stuff:this should have been enabled in BS2 when mash pH was introduced. However some frustration, if I put my water in the Recipe tab and then go to the Water tab my adjusted water profile is incorrect and mash pH estimate does not work, because the water has not been included. I have to go to the mash tab and enter my water addition there also. These are the double ups that annoy the crap out me. I don't have this problem if entering water/salts into the Water tab. It populates automatically into the Recipe tab. You may already have water volumes in your mash profile?? BS3 seems to use the water volumes from the mash profile rather than the recipe. Change you recipe water volume and nothing will change on the 'water adjustment profile' nor the estimated mash pH. |
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Post by MTB on Jun 20, 2018 15:48:25 GMT 10
I don't have this problem if entering water/salts into the Water tab. It populates automatically into the Recipe tab. You may already have water volumes in your mash profile?? BS3 seems to use the water volumes from the mash profile rather than the recipe. Change you recipe water volume and nothing will change on the 'water adjustment profile' nor the estimated mash pH. BS3 automatically calculates the water volumes from the mash profile, yes. It sounds like your issue is that you're changing the water volume in the recipe's water ingredient and expecting BS3 to change everything else; this isn't how it's designed to work. If you use Scale Recipe instead to increase or decrease the batch volume, or change mash/sparge volumes via the Mash tab, all quantities of water/salts are adjusted as well. |
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Post by maltjunkie on Jun 20, 2018 16:54:04 GMT 10
You may already have water volumes in your mash profile?? BS3 seems to use the water volumes from the mash profile rather than the recipe. Change you recipe water volume and nothing will change on the 'water adjustment profile' nor the estimated mash pH. BS3 automatically calculates the water volumes from the mash profile, yes. It sounds like your issue is that you're changing the water volume in the recipe's water ingredient and expecting BS3 to change everything else; this isn't how it's designed to work. If you use Scale Recipe instead to increase or decrease the batch volume, or change mash/sparge volumes via the Mash tab, all quantities of water/salts are adjusted as well. ummm ... so....just press the Red button then??? First time I tried BS it was a deep deep curve and I didn't have the inclination or time, this doesn't seem to have changed. Now I'm not a total pussy but I'll wait for the Linux version to be released, cause I don't want to be jumping from one machine to another all the time. |
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Post by Lord Raja Goomba I on Jun 20, 2018 17:11:54 GMT 10
I note that they offer a discount pre June 30. But Linux doesn't happen until after that. Will buying the licence give you access to Linux when it comes out?
I've looked at the forum and the release notes and it seems to imply as such but nothing really stated.
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Post by niceguys on Jun 20, 2018 17:40:46 GMT 10
You may already have water volumes in your mash profile?? BS3 seems to use the water volumes from the mash profile rather than the recipe. Change you recipe water volume and nothing will change on the 'water adjustment profile' nor the estimated mash pH. BS3 automatically calculates the water volumes from the mash profile, yes. It sounds like your issue is that you're changing the water volume in the recipe's water ingredient and expecting BS3 to change everything else; this isn't how it's designed to work. If you use Scale Recipe instead to increase or decrease the batch volume, or change mash/sparge volumes via the Mash tab, all quantities of water/salts are adjusted as well. I don't think I am the only user that this will confuse or frustrate so just stating 'this is not how it designed to work" is not a great explanation. Brad states that in his marketing for BS3 that the "water profile tool and mash pH adjustment features are now fully integrated into the recipe builder so you can manage your water profile as well as water salts and mash adjustments right in your recipe". So is this really fully integrated if I change the water volumes in the Recipe builder or Water tabs, and it doesn't adjust the ion concentration or estimated pH accordingly? The reason I sometimes adjust my strike water volume (without wanting to change my batch volume) is to maintain the same mash thickness eg. 45L for 10kg and say 55L for 12.2kg (same batch size but higher gravity beer). I fully understand that I need to adjust the water volumes in the mash tab, but for me that is not intuitive nor "fully integrated". |
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