nosco
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Post by nosco on Jun 6, 2018 19:17:27 GMT 10
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Post by MTB on Jun 6, 2018 19:53:27 GMT 10
I pay an annual fee anyway, in order to get increased cloud storage which allows me to sync recipes between my PC (for designing recipes) and phone (for the actual brew day). So this wouldn't change much for me in that regard.
Besides, it's a nominal fee, and they're doing holy work.
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Hambone
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Post by Hambone on Jun 6, 2018 20:09:17 GMT 10
I'm a Gold subscriber so I get the upgrade fur free until March next year. I'm interested to see what it brings.
I'd love to see him incorporate no chill in the hop calculation, that would take some doing.
UI needs some work to I reckon.
Cheers
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Post by helles on Jun 6, 2018 21:10:36 GMT 10
Yep i ordered the Gold subscription $14.95 a year after the first year discount is not much out of the brewing budget
Hope the water treatment part more accurate in this version
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Post by indica on Jun 6, 2018 21:26:16 GMT 10
Anyone going to preorder or buy it? I did. I paid for it a few years ago, Brad deserves more than $20 once for some great software. $13 a year is fuck all. |
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nosco
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Beersmith 3
Jun 6, 2018 21:40:56 GMT 10, Post #22252
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Post by nosco on Jun 6, 2018 21:40:56 GMT 10
So the one off payment for the software includes basic version updates which is pretty resonable. If i want more than that i could just pay the bit extra. I dont use the cloud. My pc is in the garage/brewery.
I have had BS2 for ages but i only really started using it when I got the Guten. There probably mor it can do that I havnt learned yet.
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Post by DCB on Jun 6, 2018 21:54:00 GMT 10
I'm a stick in the mud consumer of all software. Its a program FFS. That is all. Buy it, install it.
Its like a tool. A good tool you buy and should last for years. You adapt to it and with software you can add to it and evolve it.
I have to rant that online dependent software is a whirlpool for your money and security that is mute anyway.
Buy independent software that doesn't run out and rely on monthly payments. That big figure outlay can be half price to your online dependent software etc.
I truely hate the idea of online dependent software as jumping into a whirlpool of fuck around and money gouging.
Oh so you bought a spanner. (because you know how to use it). You now need to sign in to monthy billing now because you will need suuport on how to use that spanner etc.. Fark off!!!!
So now that software that cost me ~$400 eight years ago. Now costs $1100 now.
Its still better than sighing up to online dependent software. I dont need the farking cloud by the way.
Cloud is the perfect name for it. Vapor. Is all it is.
Your own stored hardrive is at best kept in 3 different locations otherwise its just vapor.
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Post by DCB on Jun 6, 2018 22:25:06 GMT 10
Check I wasn't talking beer software prices. Just the nature of the beast.  |
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Post by MTB on Jun 6, 2018 22:39:01 GMT 10
Who hurt you Dan?
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Beersmith 3
Jun 7, 2018 0:31:11 GMT 10, Post #22262
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Post by breakline on Jun 7, 2018 0:31:11 GMT 10
If said spanner is helping me brew better beer then I'll pay whatever is reasonable. Bought beersmith 2 for android for about 12 bucks and I'm able to store 15 recipes in the cloud and a few on the phone...
If the new program update addresses no chill and more BIAB methods (my current setup) then I'm happy to upgrade
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Beersmith 3
Jun 7, 2018 0:37:18 GMT 10, Post #22263
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Post by breakline on Jun 7, 2018 0:37:18 GMT 10
Just had a read then whirlpool hops and backwards compatibility with 2.. prob keen to upgrade
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Post by 2cranky on Jun 7, 2018 8:07:47 GMT 10
I'm a stick in the mud consumer of all software. Its a program FFS. That is all. Buy it, install it. Its like a tool. A good tool you buy and should last for years. You adapt to it and with software you can add to it and evolve it. I have to rant that online dependent software is a whirlpool for your money and security that is mute anyway. Buy independent software that doesn't run out and rely on monthly payments. That big figure outlay can be half price to your online dependent software etc. I truely hate the idea of online dependent software as jumping into a whirlpool of fuck around and money gouging. Oh so you bought a spanner. (because you know how to use it). You now need to sign in to monthy billing now because you will need suuport on how to use that spanner etc.. Fark off!!!! So now that software that cost me ~$400 eight years ago. Now costs $1100 now. Its still better than sighing up to online dependent software. I dont need the farking cloud by the way. Cloud is the perfect name for it. Vapor. Is all it is. Your own stored hardrive is at best kept in 3 different locations otherwise its just vapor. Whoa! For me subscription and cloud works although I'm not running any cloud software just storage. On the storage side it allows me to access my files from any device anywhere in the world. If I have a big file to send someone I can just copy the link any time from anywhere on any device, which for me is very handy. I subscribe with some software at about 1/4 of the purchase price and gives me free upgrades and support which keeps me current. On the other hand software I've purchased tends to not get upgraded and then there's a steep learning curve when I finally do upgrade. Cloud also takes care of backups which in reality I'm really shit at.  Then there is the free stuff like Google sheets - not only does that allow you to access from any device but you can work collaboratively with others in real time. oh Beersmith 3? I've been meaning to go to the desktop version for a while mainly to keep track of my stock (I'm shit a that too), so this looks like a good excuse to upgrade. |
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Post by earle on Jun 7, 2018 8:52:49 GMT 10
Question for those that are already on the cloud version - does your inventory and other profiles also get stored on the cloud, or just you recipes?
I mainly use the PC version, and a few years ago I also had the app. Back then you worked on a recipe on your local drive then had to copy the recipe to the cloud in order to access it from another instance of beersmith. To me that's not really working in the cloud - not like Google sheets where the live version is always in the cloud. How's it work these days for beersmith?
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Post by laxation on Jun 7, 2018 9:42:05 GMT 10
It's not automated cloud like Drive. You have to copy recipes across. A right pain in the ass... would be much better if it just synced between Mobile/PC.
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Post by MTB on Jun 7, 2018 9:43:06 GMT 10
Question for those that are already on the cloud version - does your inventory and other profiles also get stored on the cloud, or just you recipes? I mainly use the PC version, and a few years ago I also had the app. Back then you worked on a recipe on your local drive then had to copy the recipe to the cloud in order to access it from another instance of beersmith. To me that's not really working in the cloud - not like Google sheets where the live version is always in the cloud. How's it work these days for beersmith? Just recipes. Syncing the rest would be an excellent improvement, ie equip profiles / ingredients. It's for this reason especially, that I only use it on my phone for the actual brew day; any changes are done back on the PC, then re-synchronised to the phone. |
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Post by grandpa on Jun 7, 2018 10:00:52 GMT 10
I never use the cloud, but I'll pay the early release fee for BS3. Still have BS1 installed, but only use BS2 since it was released. Any improvements will be useful, as there are still some issues with some things on BS2, which is not as intuitive as it could be for an IT nerd like myself.
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Post by 2cranky on Jun 7, 2018 10:14:51 GMT 10
It's not automated cloud like Drive. You have to copy recipes across. A right pain in the ass... would be much better if it just synced between Mobile/PC. Not sure on the PC version but mobile you can work exclusively using cloud, no need to copy. At least it works between iPad and iPhone. This is handy when I'm doing a multiple brew day, boil brew 1 on iPhone and mash brew 2 on iPad. Of course the ability to do this on one device would be awesome. |
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Post by davidm on Jun 7, 2018 12:28:48 GMT 10
I'm with DCB , subscription software models are a total scam. It just encourages churn, i.e. pointless updates and features just to give the appearance of development. Software doesn't need endless development, it reaches a level where it's pretty good for the intended function, and should only need sporadic updates to fix errors, bugs that were missed, or security flaws. This point should be reached before being released as a product. It sounds like the cloud feature isn't particularly good having to manually sync it all. I think I'll continue to use BS2 on my pc, manually syncing it to my hardcopy notebook with my pen. |
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Post by MTB on Jun 7, 2018 12:38:00 GMT 10
I'm with DCB , subscription software models are a total scam. It just encourages churn, i.e. pointless updates and features just to give the appearance of development. Software doesn't need endless development, it reaches a level where it's pretty good for the intended function, and should only need sporadic updates to fix errors, bugs that were missed, or security flaws. This point should be reached before being released as a product. It sounds like the cloud feature isn't particularly good having to manually sync it all. I think I'll continue to use BS2 on my pc, manually syncing it to my hardcopy notebook with my pen. Do what works for you. I bought Beersmith 2 outright and can continue to use it for free, without ongoing subscription costs, but the small amount of time saved in having recipes sync'd in the cloud and available on my phone is worth the $15. Then again, I approach these sorts of things like the dirty contractor I am and evaluate the cost of my time against such things. $15 per year to save an hour of my time ain't bad (around 5min saved per batch, 15 batches a year, 75min saved for $15) Also - on the endless development thing - there is always something more to be done. Enterprise grade software is no different. Security flaws are everywhere and continually being discovered/patched. |
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Post by tony121 on Jun 7, 2018 12:38:59 GMT 10
I think I'll continue to use BS2 on my pc, manually syncing it to my hardcopy notebook with my pen. Just what I will continue to do - print it out, use a clock and take notes. |
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Post by tony121 on Jun 7, 2018 12:53:25 GMT 10
Just curious, do people use the timer? I have never used it as my PC is not close to the brew hold (took your comment on board davidm) and was wondering how useful it is as I’ve been known to forget some things every now and then.
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Post by MTB on Jun 7, 2018 12:56:47 GMT 10
Just curious, do people use the timer? I have never used it as my PC is not close to the brew hold (took your comment on board davidm) and was wondering how useful it is as I’ve been known to forget some things every now and then. For the boil, I use the timer every time. Just on the phone though, PC's got no speakers. |
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Post by davidm on Jun 7, 2018 14:04:55 GMT 10
MTB, can't argue with that. I'm just bitter and twisted about what has happened to AutoCAD. It peaked around 2006 I think before the ribbon came in. I'm sure the guy who does beer smith isn't really interested in scamming people with churn software development, he makes a good product that's very focussed on what it does without too many gimmicky features. As someone else mentioned, the interface could really use a clean up, hopefully that gets a look in on the new version. That might be enough to get me to make the switch to be honest.
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Post by 2cranky on Jun 7, 2018 14:16:43 GMT 10
Just curious, do people use the timer? I have never used it as my PC is not close to the brew hold (took your comment on board davidm) and was wondering how useful it is as I’ve been known to forget some things every now and then. Yep - I usually do something else while brewing so using the timer keeps me on track. I don't know if i could do without it especially with some recipes with lots of additions. When I started brewing I would forget to chuck the immersion chiller in to sterilise, I have since made a custom addition at 15 min called CHILL. So the timer reminds me now. |
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Beersmith 3
Jun 7, 2018 14:34:33 GMT 10, Post #22331
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Post by tony121 on Jun 7, 2018 14:34:33 GMT 10
Just curious, do people use the timer? I have never used it as my PC is not close to the brew hold (took your comment on board davidm) and was wondering how useful it is as I’ve been known to forget some things every now and then. Yep - I usually do something else while brewing so using the timer keeps me on track. I don't know if i could do without it especially with some recipes with lots of additions. When I started brewing I would forget to chuck the immersion chiller in to sterilise, I have since made a custom addition at 15 min called CHILL. So the timer reminds me now. Thanks MTB & 2cranky. Pretty much what I do, trying to brew around dealing with kids is a constant distraction so if it can remind me when I need to do something I may look into sorting out using it properly - I have no speakers either. Whirlfloc gets me every time, must forget at least 50% of the time. |
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Post by 2cranky on Jun 7, 2018 15:31:41 GMT 10
Whirlfloc gets me every time, must forget at least 50% of the time. yep do that as well. water additions etc etc. basically any step in mash or boil you like.You cant forget anything if you use the timer and its part of the recipe. |
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Post by 2cranky on Jun 7, 2018 15:38:04 GMT 10
I'm doing a stout tomorrow with a fair bit of oats. So I'll do a mini mash at 45-55 and add that to the main mash - haven't worked out how to do that with beersmith. |
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Post by maltjunkie on Jun 7, 2018 16:06:44 GMT 10
I can see both sides of the subscription equation, and with BS your probably pretty safe to say they'll still be there in coming years. However the brewing community in particular have been hit several times with gadgets tied to online only software, and only months down the track the business goes belly up and the hardware do-dad no longer works without the online server. I prefer stuff I run locally and that will run without a network connection. Hell stuff I want to keep is air gaped on a separate system.
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Beersmith 3
Jun 7, 2018 16:31:23 GMT 10, Post #22348
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Post by tony121 on Jun 7, 2018 16:31:23 GMT 10
I think we’re pretty safe that Brad Smith is trying to do the right thing for the brewing community.
I have BS2 but wasn’t aware that you could be a “gold” member and what not - not the bast at marketing me thinks.
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Post by 2cranky on Jun 7, 2018 16:47:16 GMT 10
Wait did I miss something here? Isn't the subscription only to cloud space? Like you purchase and get 15 recipes space on the cloud which lets you share or transfer recipes, but you can subscribe and get more space. Is it changing from the current setup?
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Then there is the free stuff like Google sheets - not only does that allow you to access from any device but you can work collaboratively with others in real time.
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